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12 practical suggestions for men who are in feminist spaces
Rule # 1. Be aware that the discussions do not revolve around you. Yes, yes, really! Confused? Here's why:
As a corollary to Rule # 1: feminism for women. It's about us, for us and led us. This is not about how you feel hurt or threatened by feminism or women, or about how you are oppressed as a man. We know that patriarchy has a negative impact on everyone, but here is not the place to draw attention to human suffering. We strongly encourage you to establish your own groups to discuss these issues.
Rule # 2: Be aware of your privileges. Yes, you. We all have different types of privileges. This is not because you do not feel privileged that you're not. Recognize that you are privileged not mean that you have never suffered. The fact that you are told you have privileges is not a personal insult or an attack. It does not mean someone is trying to dodge an argument or to silence you - we're just tired of having to constantly explain everything to you. See Rule # 6 for more information.
As a corollary to Rule # 2: "sexism in reverse" does not exist. Do not even try to serve us this argument. The fact that a man can be injured by a woman does not question the existence of an entire social system misogynist.
Rule # 3: Learn to listen. It would be really good. Please respect our feelings and personal experiences.
corollary to Rule # 3: If you have any doubts, then buckle up. If you are unsure what type referred to, resist the impulse to press the button "reply" and try to understand what women are saying before you act.
Rule # 4: Resist the temptation to dominate unconscious. Your socialization taught you to do, but here is not the place. See Rule # 1 and its corollary. If you end up sending more messages than does the entire rest of the community, ask yourself why. If you feel the need to attract constant attention to your situation man, look at this dynamic. There is often an unconscious way of exercising control.
Rule # 5: Try not to be defensive. Remember that when women express their frustration with the patriarchy, it is not a personal attack against you and you do not need to answer as if it was. If you do, it is likely that you are breaking the rules # 1-5. Make a mental note: if you feel attacked by feminism it's probably a cons-attack.
Rule # 6: Be aware that this is not our job to educate you. Feminist communities should not have to constantly rehash of "feminism 101" due to the constant arrival of new male members. As you can read this, you can read a book. And if this is asking too much, you can always consult the Internet. There are several ways to learn about the basic feminist theories without having to divert an entire community of trade which it is trying to build. If you've done your research and still have some specific questions left unanswered, it is then more appropriate to seek the opinion of some - but they remember you "must" still nothing.
Rule # 7: If people call you a troll, there is probably a good reason. It is not necessary to have consciously intended to be a troll to act as such. You can have fun at heart joy to play devil's advocate, then turn off your computer and never have to live with these issues. We can not do. This is our reality and we resent that men generally not address issues that affect us seriously as if it were mere intellectual exercises.
Rule # 8: Do not try to play the knight. You think you can "save" feminism with your insightful analysis? Return-on. It is extremely unlikely that you have received, thanks to the "superior intelligence of your body," a brilliant revelation that would have eluded women for centuries.
Rule # 9: Women are not monolithic. Feminism is not a group united by telepathy. There are a wide variety of experiences and perspectives within feminism. This is not because a person belonging to a feminist community agrees with you that we will be all. This is not because your girlfriend thinks feminist somehow we should all do. The assumptions and generalizations to the punch about women and feminism do not relate points.
As a corollary to Rule # 9: Do not try to pit women against each other. Try not to make you the topic. This violates rules # 1, 3 and 4. Do not divide and conquer.
Rule # 10: Do not let other people do when they have a sexist attitude. This is the best way to put theory into practice, as well as to use your privileges as a man wisely. If you claim to be pro-feminist forum but laugh with your friends when they make sexist jokes, we will certainly call into question your sincerity.
Rule # 11: Just because you qualify as a feminist that you are exempt from these suggestions. It is wonderful that you know of feminist theories. Want to get involved in this noble Anti - excellent! This does not however give you the right to start ignoring these suggestions because you have "understood" and would be part of the "good gang."
As a corollary to Rule # 11: Do not identify yourself as pro-feminist to attract the attention of women. It's pathetic and we see you coming from afar. Identify yourself as a feminist does not ensure that it becomes more appropriate to send to women suggestive of the feminist community. The feminist discussion sites are not a place to drag.
Rule # 12: Do not expect a pat on back because you follow these suggestions. And do not complain if you feel you do not receive enough credit for simply acting like a decent human being. You should not conduct yourself properly because you only want to be rewarded - you should do it because it's the right thing to do and respectful.
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12 Helpful Suggestions for Men Regarding Conduct in Feminist Spaces
1. Realize it's not all about you. No, really! Shocked? This Is Because:
Corollary to Rule 1: Feminism Is About Women. Girls ladies, females, grrrrlz, womyn, wimmin, whatever you call them, it's about us. It's for us, by us. Not how you feel harmed or threatened by feminism or women, or about how you are oppressed as a man. We know that patriarchy affects all people negatively - but this isn't the space to draw attention to how men suffer. I strongly encourage you to form your own men's group to discuss those issues.
2. Check your privilege. Yes, you have it. We all have different kinds of privilege, but you, as a man, have male privilege. Just because you don't feel privileged doesn't mean you don't have it. Recognizing that you have privilege does not mean that you have never suffered. Being told to check your privilege is not a personal insult or attack. It also doesn't indicate that someone is trying to cop out of an argument or silence anybody - we just get tired of having to explain it constantly. See Rule 6 for more info.
Corollary to Rule 2: There is no such thing as "reverse sexism." Don't even think of trying that one on us. The fact that an individual man can be harmed by an individual woman does not override an entire misogynistic social system.
3. Listen. This would be really nice. Please respect our feelings and our experiences.
Corollary to Rule 3: When in doubt, shut the hell up. If you're not sure you're "getting it" take a step back, resist the urge to hit that "respond" button, and try to think about what women are saying - before you act.
4. Resist the unconscious urge to dominate. It's what you've been programmed to do, but this is not the place for it. See Rule 1 and Corollary. If you find that you're posting more than the rest of the community combined, think about why. If you feel the need to constantly draw attention to your maleness, examine that dynamic - it's often a subconscious method of exercising control.
5. Try not to get defensive. Remember that women expressing frustration with the patriarchy is not a personal attack on you, and there's no need to respond as such. If you do so, you're likely to violate rules 1-5. Remember: If you're feeling attacked by feminism, it's probably a counter-attack.
6. Remember that it's not our job to educate you. Feminist communities shouldn't have to be constantly rehashing "feminism 101" due to the influx of new male members. You can read this, so you can read a book, or if that's too much to ask, you can do internet research. There are lots of ways to learn about basic feminist theory without sidetracking an entire community in the process. If you do the research and still have specific questions, then it's more appropriate to ask people for their opinions - but they still don't "owe" you anything.
7. If people are calling you a troll, there's probably a good reason for it. You don't have to purposefully be trolling to act like one. You can play devil's advocate to your heart's content and then log off the computer and not have to deal with these issues ever again. The rest of us can't do that. This is our reality, and we generally don't appreciate men treating issues that really affect us as some sort of witty intellectual exercise.
8. Don't try to be a knight in shining white armor. So you think you can singlehandedly save feminism with your unqiue insights? Get over yourself. It's extremely unlikely that you've had some brilliant revelation that has eluded us women for ages thanks to the superior intellect of your penis.
9. Women are not a hive mind. Feminism is not The Borg. There is a wide range of diverse experiences and views within feminism. Just because one person on a feminist community agrees with you doesn't mean that we all will. Just because your feminist friend thinks one way doesn't mean we should all be expected to. Wide, sweeping generalizations and assumptions about feminism and women are not likely to win you any points.
Corollary to Rule 9: Do not use your presence or opinions to pit women against each other. Try to refrain from becoming the subject of discussion - that violates Rules 1, 3, and 4. Don't "divide and conquer."
10. Call out other men on sexist behavior. This is the best way to put theory into practice, and is a way to use your male privilege for good! If you're claiming to be a feminist on one board and then laughing when your friends make sexist jokes, we're obviously going to question your sincerity.
11. Understand that just because you call yourself a feminist doesn't mean that you're exempt from these suggestions. So you have an understanding of feminist theory - wonderful. So you want to fight the good fight - great. That doesn't give you the right to then go and ignore all the other suggestions because you "get it" and you're "one of the good ones."
Corollary to Rule 11: Don't identify as feminist so you can get attention from women. It's creepy and pathetic, and usually we can smell it a mile away. It does not become any more appropriate to hit on or make suggestive comments to women in a feminist community simply because you call yourself a feminist, either. This is not the place to look for a date.
12. Do not expect a pat on the Back for followings thesis suggestions. And do not whine if you do not feel you're Enough Receiving credit for acting like a decent Human Being. You Should not Be Because You crave Behaving Appropriately o Stamp of Approval - You Should Be Appropriately behaving Because it's the thing to do Respectful.
12 practical suggestions for men who are in feminist spaces
Rule # 1. Be aware that the discussions do not revolve around you. Yes, yes, really! Confused? Here's why:
As a corollary to Rule # 1: feminism for women. It's about us, for us and led us. This is not about how you feel hurt or threatened by feminism or women, or about how you are oppressed as a man. We know that patriarchy has a negative impact on everyone, but here is not the place to draw attention to human suffering. We strongly encourage you to establish your own groups to discuss these issues.
Rule # 2: Be aware of your privileges. Yes, you. We all have different types of privileges. This is not because you do not feel privileged that you're not. Recognize that you are privileged not mean that you have never suffered. The fact that you are told you have privileges is not a personal insult or an attack. It does not mean someone is trying to dodge an argument or to silence you - we're just tired of having to constantly explain everything to you. See Rule # 6 for more information.
As a corollary to Rule # 2: "sexism in reverse" does not exist. Do not even try to serve us this argument. The fact that a man can be injured by a woman does not question the existence of an entire social system misogynist.
Rule # 3: Learn to listen. It would be really good. Please respect our feelings and personal experiences.
corollary to Rule # 3: If you have any doubts, then buckle up. If you are unsure what type referred to, resist the impulse to press the button "reply" and try to understand what women are saying before you act.
Rule # 4: Resist the temptation to dominate unconscious. Your socialization taught you to do, but here is not the place. See Rule # 1 and its corollary. If you end up sending more messages than does the entire rest of the community, ask yourself why. If you feel the need to attract constant attention to your situation man, look at this dynamic. There is often an unconscious way of exercising control.
Rule # 5: Try not to be defensive. Remember that when women express their frustration with the patriarchy, it is not a personal attack against you and you do not need to answer as if it was. If you do, it is likely that you are breaking the rules # 1-5. Make a mental note: if you feel attacked by feminism it's probably a cons-attack.
Rule # 6: Be aware that this is not our job to educate you. Feminist communities should not have to constantly rehash of "feminism 101" due to the constant arrival of new male members. As you can read this, you can read a book. And if this is asking too much, you can always consult the Internet. There are several ways to learn about the basic feminist theories without having to divert an entire community of trade which it is trying to build. If you've done your research and still have some specific questions left unanswered, it is then more appropriate to seek the opinion of some - but they remember you "must" still nothing.
Rule # 7: If people call you a troll, there is probably a good reason. It is not necessary to have consciously intended to be a troll to act as such. You can have fun at heart joy to play devil's advocate, then turn off your computer and never have to live with these issues. We can not do. This is our reality and we resent that men generally not address issues that affect us seriously as if it were mere intellectual exercises.
Rule # 8: Do not try to play the knight. You think you can "save" feminism with your insightful analysis? Return-on. It is extremely unlikely that you have received, thanks to the "superior intelligence of your body," a brilliant revelation that would have eluded women for centuries.
Rule # 9: Women are not monolithic. Feminism is not a group united by telepathy. There are a wide variety of experiences and perspectives within feminism. This is not because a person belonging to a feminist community agrees with you that we will be all. This is not because your girlfriend thinks feminist somehow we should all do. The assumptions and generalizations to the punch about women and feminism do not relate points.
As a corollary to Rule # 9: Do not try to pit women against each other. Try not to make you the topic. This violates rules # 1, 3 and 4. Do not divide and conquer.
Rule # 10: Do not let other people do when they have a sexist attitude. This is the best way to put theory into practice, as well as to use your privileges as a man wisely. If you claim to be pro-feminist forum but laugh with your friends when they make sexist jokes, we will certainly call into question your sincerity.
Rule # 11: Just because you qualify as a feminist that you are exempt from these suggestions. It is wonderful that you know of feminist theories. Want to get involved in this noble Anti - excellent! This does not however give you the right to start ignoring these suggestions because you have "understood" and would be part of the "good gang."
As a corollary to Rule # 11: Do not identify yourself as pro-feminist to attract the attention of women. It's pathetic and we see you coming from afar. Identify yourself as a feminist does not ensure that it becomes more appropriate to send to women suggestive of the feminist community. The feminist discussion sites are not a place to drag.
Rule # 12: Do not expect a pat on back because you follow these suggestions. And do not complain if you feel you do not receive enough credit for simply acting like a decent human being. You should not conduct yourself properly because you only want to be rewarded - you should do it because it's the right thing to do and respectful.
* * * * *
12 Helpful Suggestions for Men Regarding Conduct in Feminist Spaces
1. Realize it's not all about you. No, really! Shocked? This Is Because:
Corollary to Rule 1: Feminism Is About Women. Girls ladies, females, grrrrlz, womyn, wimmin, whatever you call them, it's about us. It's for us, by us. Not how you feel harmed or threatened by feminism or women, or about how you are oppressed as a man. We know that patriarchy affects all people negatively - but this isn't the space to draw attention to how men suffer. I strongly encourage you to form your own men's group to discuss those issues.
2. Check your privilege. Yes, you have it. We all have different kinds of privilege, but you, as a man, have male privilege. Just because you don't feel privileged doesn't mean you don't have it. Recognizing that you have privilege does not mean that you have never suffered. Being told to check your privilege is not a personal insult or attack. It also doesn't indicate that someone is trying to cop out of an argument or silence anybody - we just get tired of having to explain it constantly. See Rule 6 for more info.
Corollary to Rule 2: There is no such thing as "reverse sexism." Don't even think of trying that one on us. The fact that an individual man can be harmed by an individual woman does not override an entire misogynistic social system.
3. Listen. This would be really nice. Please respect our feelings and our experiences.
Corollary to Rule 3: When in doubt, shut the hell up. If you're not sure you're "getting it" take a step back, resist the urge to hit that "respond" button, and try to think about what women are saying - before you act.
4. Resist the unconscious urge to dominate. It's what you've been programmed to do, but this is not the place for it. See Rule 1 and Corollary. If you find that you're posting more than the rest of the community combined, think about why. If you feel the need to constantly draw attention to your maleness, examine that dynamic - it's often a subconscious method of exercising control.
5. Try not to get defensive. Remember that women expressing frustration with the patriarchy is not a personal attack on you, and there's no need to respond as such. If you do so, you're likely to violate rules 1-5. Remember: If you're feeling attacked by feminism, it's probably a counter-attack.
6. Remember that it's not our job to educate you. Feminist communities shouldn't have to be constantly rehashing "feminism 101" due to the influx of new male members. You can read this, so you can read a book, or if that's too much to ask, you can do internet research. There are lots of ways to learn about basic feminist theory without sidetracking an entire community in the process. If you do the research and still have specific questions, then it's more appropriate to ask people for their opinions - but they still don't "owe" you anything.
7. If people are calling you a troll, there's probably a good reason for it. You don't have to purposefully be trolling to act like one. You can play devil's advocate to your heart's content and then log off the computer and not have to deal with these issues ever again. The rest of us can't do that. This is our reality, and we generally don't appreciate men treating issues that really affect us as some sort of witty intellectual exercise.
8. Don't try to be a knight in shining white armor. So you think you can singlehandedly save feminism with your unqiue insights? Get over yourself. It's extremely unlikely that you've had some brilliant revelation that has eluded us women for ages thanks to the superior intellect of your penis.
9. Women are not a hive mind. Feminism is not The Borg. There is a wide range of diverse experiences and views within feminism. Just because one person on a feminist community agrees with you doesn't mean that we all will. Just because your feminist friend thinks one way doesn't mean we should all be expected to. Wide, sweeping generalizations and assumptions about feminism and women are not likely to win you any points.
Corollary to Rule 9: Do not use your presence or opinions to pit women against each other. Try to refrain from becoming the subject of discussion - that violates Rules 1, 3, and 4. Don't "divide and conquer."
10. Call out other men on sexist behavior. This is the best way to put theory into practice, and is a way to use your male privilege for good! If you're claiming to be a feminist on one board and then laughing when your friends make sexist jokes, we're obviously going to question your sincerity.
11. Understand that just because you call yourself a feminist doesn't mean that you're exempt from these suggestions. So you have an understanding of feminist theory - wonderful. So you want to fight the good fight - great. That doesn't give you the right to then go and ignore all the other suggestions because you "get it" and you're "one of the good ones."
Corollary to Rule 11: Don't identify as feminist so you can get attention from women. It's creepy and pathetic, and usually we can smell it a mile away. It does not become any more appropriate to hit on or make suggestive comments to women in a feminist community simply because you call yourself a feminist, either. This is not the place to look for a date.
12. Do not expect a pat on the Back for followings thesis suggestions. And do not whine if you do not feel you're Enough Receiving credit for acting like a decent Human Being. You Should not Be Because You crave Behaving Appropriately o Stamp of Approval - You Should Be Appropriately behaving Because it's the thing to do Respectful.